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A brilliant and outragously funny satire of society, 7 December 1999
Author: Dave Joerg ([email protected])
"Flodder" is one of the funniest movies ever made and few people realise that it is a Dutch movie made by none other than the Holland version of John Carpenter, the famous Dick Maas, author and director of the thriller "Amsterdamned". The Flodder family is the reincarnation of the term a-social. When the whole family bunch, basically all bastards, criminals and sluts must be relocated from their City slum because of toxic waste under their house, the city council house no choice. The only available space is in the "Zoendal" - the "Sun Valley" the best area in Amsterdam where all doctors, snobs and businessmen can afford to live their lives. And where the central point of interest and politics is the tennis club of the community. The Flodder family brings devastation to the tranquil world that ruled before. They are simply unbelievable. The characterisation is incredibly funny, beginning with Ma Flodder who searches other people's trash cans for food or making illegal liquor in her cellar and ending with the eldest daughter who is the biggest slut on earth. Together they make the most horrible family imaginable, a sort of immoral mirror image to the Brady Bunch or the Waltons. When the City counsel of Amsterdam hoped that the Flodders would show their good will to be more civilised in their new area, it turns out that Holland's most famous family would rather bring out the worst in the rich people of "Sun Valley"-wonderland. The rest is a hilarious, brilliant and well made social satire that can be watched as a provocative movie as well as a straightforward comedy. Dick Maas at his best. I salute him! Flooder was the Dutch smash hit in 1986 and brought two sequels and a tv series. All of the sequels were nice but not as great as the original.
Flodders (1986) is available on DVD in Germany in a dubbed German version in Dolby Digital 5.1. under the name:
"Flodders -Eine Familie zum knutschen"
Why is First Floor Features, the producer of the movie not bringing the Dick Maas blockbusters out on DVD in the Netherlands, I wonder. The are not even available on video there. These movies have so much potential, still to this day and have a huge silent but true following.
很温柔的一种拍法，牌桌与现实并行的剧作结构，围绕压力转移的概念，战争创伤另辟蹊径的表达，把一场十分温情的戏放在一个看似五彩斑斓但是冷冰冰的数字化景观中，也无异于男主色调单一的世界。扭曲或者间隔暴力场面，遭遇无法被重现，置于现场才会真正理解，是电影永远无法抵达的地方。牌算得再好，人也拗不过情绪。只是觉得爱情戏过于跳脱
感情上来说，非常温吞，感觉会是一场大雨，结果最后只是一场毛毛雨。本片的唯一看点大概是Oscar Isaac，刮了胡子，梳着背头，又是另外一种魅力。
质感出挑，单场戏很棒，整体却力有未逮，端着而无法下沉。倒是奥斯卡·伊萨克，头发一梳，从头有型到尾。
有些拍摄手法比如鱼眼广角是有趣的，但是大部分故事线动机都非常薄弱…救赎的合理性也没有讲的很清楚…爱情线也太突兀了…
故作深沉，什么事情都没有讲好，ptsd，赌博，感情，犯罪，全都没有说清楚。
Right ingredients, wrong meal.
人生如牌局，男主的冷静与隐忍是为了做个社会化的“好人”，但没有正确释放的权欲和攻击欲最终都要找到一个宣泄的出口。导演的童年生活对心理影响应该挺大的。
男主毁灭式的复仇太牵强，小孩不过是认识没多久。讲扑克又不花笔墨在扑克上，两头不到位。
最后 男主与其女友在看守所隔着玻璃食指相抵 还是很有感情哒 呃。。。。。女友的指甲太长吧。。。顶在玻璃上有点搞笑 有点出戏ヾ(。￣□￣)ツ
浓浓的廉价感和莫名其妙的人物关系，还有各种让人出戏的配乐和拉黑过场，看得尴尬癌发作。两星都给Oscar Isaac的表演。
我觉得把最后34分钟截掉，反而是个比较完整的故事～～
这实际是一个关于救赎他人和自我救赎失败了的故事。男主是阿布格莱布监狱虐囚门事件的一名士兵，因为拍了虐囚自拍照，被判刑了，坐牢时自学成为赌神。出狱后成为职业赌徒，收益不错，但精神世界还在坐牢和赎罪，然后遇到了前战友的儿子，儿子一直想找虐囚的上司报仇，男主想帮助男孩精神解脱，最后给钱让其还债回归正常生活，没想到男孩去报仇还死了，男主放弃比赛亲自上阵杀了虐囚上司，然后报警坐牢。影片展现了战争，暴行&PTSD对美军及其家人的伤害，当男主以为自己及男孩获得了解脱的时候，却又发现自己已经无法摆脱心里的阴影，反而在牢里才能获得暂时的平静。这片子我不喜欢，我给3星6.3分，删掉了！
只拍了一个月就杀青了， 这个水平可以理解。
怀疑Oscar这个选角是Willem在Paul眼里的莞莞类卿
Tell和Crik的对白将表达引向了另一种思考，暴力的归因究竟是functionalism还是intentionalism？类似于对纳粹德国和希特勒针对犹太人大屠杀行为研究中的观点，本片中在封闭的监禁过程中发生单向的暴力行为同样也可以从这两方面讨论，即是权力最高层的意识最大化，或者累积式激进下的恶行。作为施暴者去揭开这段心理创伤时的态度与受阴影折磨而选择自杀的施暴者的后代状态去观点对撞，是催生日后一切行为的原点。
拯救他人可以安慰自己的创伤，然而事与愿违，选择直面才是最好的方式，片尾回到了监狱，就是自我疗愈的修行。鱼眼长镜头和结尾都是漂亮的戏，但是其它部分散而沉闷，女主这个人物比较尬。
It's not bad, ”but…it's repetitive. ”
除了回忆中扭曲的监狱还令人耳目一新外，其他部分实在是不行……开头的气势让我以为他有什么惊天大计划，没想到最后变成失足少年拯救片。
前一个小时几度要睡过去，最后半小时蛮有趣，最后一幕又很糟糕……片子题材挺有意思的，男主角很会演很帅，总之看完让人有点纠结要不要推荐……
不愧是奥斯卡爹地，穿老干部全套也还是如此性感。画面和故事都很极简，文本乏善可陈，说是算牌人但是算牌场景居然比平淡的对话还乏味。最后算是完成自我救赎了吗？只要内心重获平静，无论身在何处。
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